~ An Interview ~
~ (Part of) an Interview with fravia+ ~
"Let's not become conspiracy-obsessed" (part of Searching Lab 3)
(Please excuse the poor linguistic level, I ported this text to english myself)
...Five years reverse engineering... three years searchlores... what are your plans for the future, Fravia+?
I would like now to begin to 'flex our seeking muscles' so to say. I have in mind
a searching assignment, or a "searching lab", that could help show to a broader
public how powerful, and how useful, good searchers are... I think we should aim very high,
both to see our limits and to try to overcome them :-)
What do you have in mind?
Nothing more and nothing less than to shed some light on the 9/11 New York attack. Please
do not smile. The more
I think about that, the more I watch and analyse the developments that have followed it, the
more I feel that there is something 'wrong' with the commonly accepted perception of this event.
What do you mean exactly? That what we know about those
events does not correspond to reality?
Frankly, I do not have (yet) any exact
answer to this question: but any trained
analytical observer, capable of a minimum of text-exegesis, will confirm you that
something does not 'sound'
correct in the media coverage of these events. As I said before, in order to
better understand what's going on, you always have to "reverse" the assumed
"correct view" of the world around you. I would paradoxically add that
you can count on one hand
the cases in which your usual media will be able, or allowed, to deliver you
a "correct view" of the world... and I bet you would still have some fingers free
after the count.
I am convinced that the various pieces of a yet
unsolved puzzle lie around the web, and I intend
to use the collective power of my fellow seekers to assemble these little, scattered
bits, into a coherent meaning.
So you do not believe that the democratic media are
No. Not in the least. I do not even believe that there are real democratic media in
"real" world: there is only place for a concerted propaganda machine, poisoned by useless
advertising, and they are just a part of it.
The web does not seem advertising-free either.
That's true, but in this context irrelevant. The web is a new media, but it follows
very old academical "knowledge spreading" rules, where
you can still find easily some real snippets of information... even if, at times, you have
to break some database protection or comb some hidden messageboards... and maybe even
troll or stalk someone in order to do it.
Please understand what the information
on the web is for us searchers and reversers: it is
as if we could enter -- in an "invisible mode" -- into ANY newspapers or TV-channel
discussion room, at the very moment a new
issue is prepared, and listen WHY something will be said and WHY something
else will not be published and moreover, just in case, read all the internal memos and even
all private letters and notes of the writers, owners, publishers of those media... and check
their bank accounts too, and see who paid who and why.
Quite powerful deeds it would seem, still democratic media do exist and
can discover some unpleasant truths.
Since you yourself are a journalist, and thus
part of this group, you will have to excuse me, but I believe that the very purpose of your existence,
the real purpose, behind all the "democratic" hype, is to try to
mislead your readers with irrelevant crap, de facto
doing your outmost to try to prevent people realizing
some simple truths about the world they live in.
"Truths" that you no doubt perfectly know.
No my dear: truths that YOU know. Truths that I moreover could
document for you hic et nunc through the web...
and truths that, on the
contrary, I am not able to find
on your newspaper's today issue!
Please do not try to
stick to me some "cospiracy-obsessed" tags. I said simple truths.
we have 6 milliards individuals on this planet, and --lo and behold--
5,5 are in a situation of need and 3,5 of dire need,
duh! In the European Union, itself one of the richest parts of the world, there
are now more than 50 million people in poverty, one out of five.
But that's nothing: the
sum of the yearly incomes of the
300 (I will repeat this small number, so that you wont forget it:
most wealthy individuals is bigger than the sum of the
yearly incomes of 3 milliards (I will repeat this BIG number,
so that you wont forget it: three
milliards) individuals in need. You could be allowed to think that
each slavemaster has 10.000.000 slaves. And all these data are public and available, yet ignored
by your media-brood.
If you think that a world like this, with such GROWING inequalities,
is NOT on the verge of a historical
social implosion you're nuts.
And Bin Laden and the 11 september in all
I suspect that in a situation where one boxer
(the left/democratic/socialist/pauperistical, you name
it, "counterweight") has
disappeared and only one boxer
has remained on the ring, this 'survivor'
has to invent an enemy (Bin Laden yesterday,
today, someone else tomorrow) to
justify his existence (and his costs) in the eyes of his electors, his slaves or
Note that I have no doubt whatsoever that Bin Laden is a
dangerous criminal, the fact that the CIA paid
and protected him for a very long time is proof enough
Nevertheless, I repeat,
not obsessed by simplistic ideas, like this were simply a "Reichstag/KristallNacht"
some "Neronian burning of Rome" plot.
Yet there are some pretty obvious
inconsistencies in this 11/9 thingy, and I have been formed --long ago--
as a historian, and
I follow the old school: "watch the data dance around with unsullen eyes
and they will start to sing by themselves".
Hence I can bet with you that
"oil" is the refrain that this specific data-song will sing, and
I want to find out more, and then even more,
in order to understand what did happen, what happens and what will happen.
And you think that you are going to find out some historical
"secrets" like that?
No, I just think that we as a group of people really able to
search the web may have a (albeit small) chance to understand more, to see and shed
some light on a very
dark moment of mankind's history.
No more, no less than that, but that would already be a lot. Yep: such a
specific query-quest may not work.
But those that will participate will anyway learn
how to search the web... and become even better seekers...
Actually, hey! We do have a (slight) chance. But only
if many good seekers will
participate (a big if);
if they will send some feedback (a big if);
if the web is truly a treasure of hidden, yet relatively easy to find, information as we believe
(a big if); if...
...So you think some web-searchers can succeed where many
others, with bigger research facilities, have failed?
You seriously think you will discover "the truth" behind 9/11 just visiting some
No, I am not very optimistical about this, actually.
I think we will not "discover" much.
Maybe there is nothing to "discover" at all, you see.
Once more I do not believe
in evil "conspirations",
I believe in history (which by the way is full of failed plots :-) and its
well-known power games: Fraus sublimi regnat in aula (Seneca, hu, he
already knew that all powerful are
I think I have to tell you something important about this specific search and, at
the same time, about our attitude:
I do not want to get mystical, but people like us have always existed. And always will.
Searchers, reversers, sons of knowledge and transparency. Na´ve idiots, if you want.
Yet we truly love to fight battles that we cannot win. And... as strange as it may seem...
sometimes we do not lose them
Hence "searchers" are against an intervention in Iraq?
"Searchers", should they exist as a category, could not care less
about such crap. I will be now rather cynical:
On our planet there are so many people, and
kids, dying every day because of some nonsensical, bogus or idiotic / wars / laws / ideologies /
that --frankly-- a couple of millions
more or less would not change the total sum in any significant way.
But on this specific case,
allow me a final remark: do you for instance, you personally, sitting there in
front of me, seriously believe,
that a 200-300 milliards dollars/euro intervention in Iraq (a country
that happens to have the second
place in the list of planetary
national oil reserves)
could really have the aim to "protect the West" against this specific (and rather tiny)
third world dictator? (Why?) or, even more ludicrously,
could such an act of war really have the purpose to "bring some real democracy" to the
iraqi people (should they really care for such a "gift")?
Are you not leaving your searching techniques ground, in order to
cover a rather political field?
Nowadays there's no difference between searching the web,
and being politically active.
The moment you engage in any of these activities you will soon
find, or bounce against, some unpleasant truths.
You may swallow them, you may ignore them, you may
try to get some personal gains out of them
or you may try to debunk them.
You will have to choose. I did.
a lot to add... soon or later
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